Interview with

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Emily in Eagan, Minnesota, asks, “Pastor John, do you believe there is a difference between film nudity verses porn? I know many Christians who are against porn, but they have no issue watching movies or TV shows that show graphic nudity.” More specifically, Adam writes in to ask, “What would you say to a Christian who watches the cable TV show ‘Game of Thrones’? This is a television series rated TV-MA, and has become rather infamous for its explicit nudity and sex scenes, and for graphic scenes of rape and sexual violence against women.”

The closer I get to death, and meeting Jesus personally face to face, and giving an account for my life and for the careless words that I have spoken (Matthew 12:36), and how much more for intentional stares, the surer I am of my resolve never intentionally to look at a TV show or a movie or a website or a magazine where I know I will see photos or films of nudity. Never. That is my resolve. And the closer I get to death, the better I feel about that and the more committed I become.

“It is an absolute travesty of the cross to treat it as though Jesus died only to forgive us for the sin of watching nudity and not to purify us for the power not to watch it.”

And I want to invite, frankly, all Christians to join me in this pursuit of greater purity of heart and mind. In our day, when entertainment media is virtually the lingua franca of the world, this is an invitation to be an alien. And I believe with all my heart that what the world needs is radically bold, sacrificially loving, God-besotted freaks — aliens. In other words, I am inviting you to say no to the world for the sake of the world. The world does not need more cool, hip, culturally savvy, irrelevant copies of itself. That is a hoax that thousands of young Christians have been duped by. They have got to be hip, cool, savvy, culturally aware, watching everything in order not to be freakish. And that is undoing them morally and, I think, diminishing their witness.

Twelve Reasons to Just Say No

So here are my reasons. I have twelve. This is going to take a few minutes, but I need these if nobody else does, and I think others do too. Here are my reasons for why I am committed to this kind of radical abstention from anything I know is going to present me with nudity.

1. Jesus died to purify.

He died to purify his people. It is an absolute travesty of the cross to treat it as though Jesus died only to forgive us for the sin of watching nudity, and not to purify us for the power not to watch it. He has blood-bought power in his cross. He died to make us pure. He gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession (Titus 2:14). If we choose to endorse or embrace or enjoy or pursue impurity, we take a spear and ram it into Jesus’s side every time we do. He suffered to set us free from impurity.

2. The Bible, from beginning to end, makes a radical call for holiness.

This is a call for holiness of mind and heart and life. “As he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct” (1 Peter 1:15). Or 2 Corinthians 7:1: “Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, bringing holiness to completion in the fear of God.” Nudity in movies and photos is not holy and does not advance our holiness. It is unholy and impure.

3. Don’t do that which can cause you to sin with your heart and mind.

Jesus said, “Everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away” (Matthew 5:28–29). Seeing naked women causes men and women — women seeing naked men — to sin with their minds and their desires, and often with their bodies. If Jesus told us to guard our hearts by gouging out our eyes to prevent lust, how much more would he say, “Don’t watch it”?

4. Passionately pursue good.

Life in Christ is not mainly the avoidance of evil, but mainly the passionate pursuit of good. “Whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things” (Philippians 4:8). My father used to say, “Be so busy doing you don’t have time to don’t,” when people accused us fundamentalists of being people with a bunch of don’ts. I have never felt that way. My life is not a constrained life. It is a free life. “You were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another” (Galatians 5:13).

5. Know God fully.

I want to see and know God as fully as possible in this life and the next. Watching nudity is a huge hindrance to that pursuit. “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God” (Matthew 5:8). The defilement of the mind and heart by watching nudity dulls the heart’s ability to see and enjoy God. I dare anyone to watch nudity and turn straight to God and give him thanks and enjoy him more because of what you just experienced.

6. Value the modesty and self-control of women.

God calls women to adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control (1 Timothy 2:9). When we pursue or receive or embrace nudity in our entertainment, we are implicitly endorsing the sin of the women who sell themselves to this way and are, therefore, uncaring about their souls. They are disobeying 1 Timothy 2:9, and we are saying that is okay.

7. Don’t be a hypocrite.

Most Christians are hypocrites in watching nudity because, on the one hand, they say by their watching that this is okay, and, on the other hand, they know deep down they would not want their daughter or their wife to be playing this role. That is hypocrisy.

8. Nudity is not make-believe.

Nudity is not like murder and violence on the screen. That is make-believe. Nobody really gets killed. But nudity is not make believe. These actresses are really naked in front of the camera, doing exactly what the director says to do with their legs and their hands and their breasts, and they are standing there and they are naked there in front of millions of people for the world to see.

9. Sex on the screen distorts its nature as good.

Sexual relations is a beautiful thing. God created it and pronounced it good. But it is not — as David Hubbard said when I was in seminary — it is not a spectator sport. It is a holy joy that is sacred in its secure place of tender love. Men and women who want to be watched in their nudity are in the category with exhibitionists who pull down their pants at the top of escalators.

10. There is no great film that needs nudity to add to its greatness.

No. There isn’t. There are creative ways to be true to reality without turning sex into a spectator sport and without putting actors and actresses in morally compromised situations on the set. It is not great artistic integrity that is driving this. Underneath all of it is male sexual appetite driving this business, and following from that is peer pressure in the industry and the desire for ratings that sell. It is not art that puts nudity in film. It is the appeal of prurience. It sells.

11. Christians do not watch nudity with a view to maximizing holiness.

That is not what keeps them coming back to the shows. They know deep down that these TV shows or these movies are shot through with the commendation and exaltation of attitudes and actions that are utterly out of step with the death to self and with exaltation of Christ. No, what keeps those Christians coming back is the fear that if they took Christ at his word and made holiness as serious as I am saying it is, they would have to stop seeing so many TV shows and so many movies. They would be viewed as freakish. And that today is the worst evil of all. To be seen as freakish is a much greater evil than to be unholy.

12. If you doubt, don’t.

There is one biblical guideline that makes life very simple. “Whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin” (Romans 14:23). My paraphrase: If you doubt, don’t. That would alter the viewing habits of millions and, oh, how sweetly they would sleep with their conscience. So I say it again. Join me in the pursuit of the kind of purity that sees God and knows the fullness of joy in his presence and the everlasting pleasure at his right hand.