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Every area of life calls for evaluation. Should we be doing one thing or something else? Career A or career B? Enough school or more school? Stop spending and start investing. Don’t settle for the good when you can go for the great. All sorts of books and workshops and apps stand ready to help us live from higher priorities. And this is important, especially for Christians. We live for the highest priority there is. We live for the eternal. Our everlasting priority bears on our media diets, our gaming, our careers, our parenting, and really every single decision of life. In the summer of 1997, Pastor John preached a sermon on Hebrews 11:39–12:2, a section of Scripture popularly referred to as God’s “Hall of Fame” or the “Hall of Faith,” a section celebrating our ancestors in the faith who learned to live faithfully in this life, turning away from the good in order to pursue the eternally great. Here’s a clip from that sermon sent to us from a listener named Melissa in Lumberton, New Jersey. Here’s Pastor John.

Life has begun to be trivial, lite — life lite, church lite. That’s who he’s writing to. Hebrews 5:12: “Though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food.” Do you hear the ache in this writer’s voice? There’s been enough time since you got saved that you should be teaching a class or a small group or a wife or children or a neighbor. You should be teaching, and you need milk still — all these many years later. Why? You’re drifting, you’re coasting, you’re neglecting, you’re not vigilant. You’re treating life as though you can just get up in the morning and meander instead of run. That’s who he’s writing to.

Race for Righteousness

Hebrews 12:12–13: “Lift your drooping hands and strengthen your weak knees, and make straight paths for your feet, so that what is lame may not be put out of joint but rather be healed.” In other words, there’s still time. There’s hope for this church. This is a metaphor of their spiritual condition. Their hands are kind of weak. They’re up to bat at home plate but have a weak stance. The knees are weak, just kind of wobbling around. And do you know what happens with weak knees? If they get hit from the side, it’s over — history. You need a big surgery, big brace, and no more basketball.

While there’s still time, do some exercises to get the cartilage and to get the muscles up to speed. This is all spiritual talk. He doesn’t give a rip about your knees, I don’t think. Well, a little bit; the Bible says he gives a little bit of a rip, but not much. He’d rather have your legs cut off and go to heaven than to keep your legs and go to hell.

“Don’t stroll, don’t meander, and don’t wander about aimlessly. Run as in a race with a finish line.”

Have you got the picture now of this church that he’s writing to in Hebrews 12? Let’s read verse 1 at the end again, because here’s the main point: “Let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us.” Now, this command — “Let’s run, let’s run, let’s run!” — does not come out of the blue. It comes out of a passion for this church that’s in tremendous spiritual danger because of a false concept of life as meandering and coasting and drifting — no vigilance, no care, no watching, no earnestness, no weightiness.

And he says, “This is very dangerous. And so, please, let us look to Christ and let us run.”

So, the main point of this whole text that I read, from Hebrews 11:39–12:2, has one imperative. Even though in English there are several, in Greek there is one imperative, and it’s run — “Let us run.” Everything else in this text explains running or motivates running. The point is this: Don’t stroll, don’t meander, and don’t wander about aimlessly. Run as in a race with a finish line where everything hangs on the race.

Does This Help Me Run?

Now, what supports it? In verse 1, there are a couple of things said here as a means to running. It says, “Lay aside every encumbrance and sin which so easily entangles us.” I remember as a boy the effect a sermon had on me on this verse. And the only thing I remember was the distinction that the preacher made between weights and sins. And he looked out on us and he said, “Not just sins — don’t just lay aside sins to run this race. Lay aside every other weight that gets in your way.”

As a boy, that had a revolutionary effect on me. And I speak it now especially for young people: kids, if you can get this, but especially young teenagers and teenagers (but it applies to everybody). What this says is this: Don’t just ask, “What’s wrong with it?” Don’t just say about your music, about your movies, about your parties, about your habits, about your games, don’t just say, “What’s wrong with it?” Don’t just ask, “Is it a sin?” That’s about the lowest question you can ask in life.

“I’m going to do it if it’s not a sin. So tell me, is it a sin to do this?”

“Well, not exactly.”

“Okay, that’s all I wanted to know. I’m now off to do it.”

“Don’t just lay aside sins to run this race. Lay aside every other weight that gets in your way.”

And the preacher said to me as a boy, and I’m the preacher now saying that this text says, “Look to Jesus, and lay aside sins for sure — and lots of other stuff too.” Now, that’s a different way to live. Well, what question, as a 13-year-old, 14-year-old, should I ask if it’s not “Is it a sin?” And the answer is this: “Does it help me run?” That’s the answer. Does it get in my way when I’m trying to become more patient, more kind, more gentle, more loving, more holy, more pure, more self-controlled? Does it get in my way, or does it help me run? That’s the question to ask.

Set a Course for Holiness

Ask the maximal righteousness question, not the minimal righteousness question. That was the difference it made in my life. I didn’t always live up to this. I’m not making any claim that from age 12 on I did some great, spiritual thing. But oh, I had a trajectory that was so much better than the minimalist ethic that comes with “Well, what’s wrong with it?” What’s wrong with it? Well, I don’t even want to talk about what’s wrong with it. Let’s talk about “Does it help me run?”

Do you know why that question isn’t very often asked? Because we’re not passionate runners. We don’t want to run. We don’t get up in the morning saying, “What’s the course today? What’s the course of purity? What’s the course of holiness? What’s the course of humility? What’s the course of justice? What’s the course of righteousness? What’s the course of love? What’s the course of self-control? What’s the course of courage and witness? O God, I want to maximize my running today.”

If you have that mentality about your life, then you’ll ask not, “How many sins can I avoid?” but “How many weights can I lay down so that I am fleet-footed in the race of righteousness?”