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Are you more grieved by theology you disagree with or by division within the body of believers?
Here's the way I answer questions like that (and I ask them to myself all the time): It depends on the degree and nature of the division compared with the degree of seriousness to the theology mistaken.
I'm sad that we're not all on the same page eschatologically. I wish Sam Storms and I were on the same page. I wish Doug Wilson and I were on the same page. And we're not, and that's sad.
It doesn't cause me too many tears at that level. But when I see somebody I love going to a hurtful view of God, then I can be really grieved, and that hurts.
So that's the theology side. There are some theological moves that are so destructive and so dishonoring to God and so close to the center that we should be deeply grieved and angered by them.
On the other hand, there are all kinds of divisions. If two of my elders hated each other—I mean, if they were saying ugly things about each other and doing wicked things, that would emotionally probably take me down deeper than most of these theological things.
I love our elder fellowship. I was meeting with the elders last night until 11 o'clock, and I came home just saying, "I love these guys!" Thirty guys sitting around a table, one heart, one mind, pulling together for the good of the church is the joy of my life. It has been for 30 years. If that broke at Bethlehem and the thing became war and anger and hurtful speech, probably emotionally I would be way more undone than by theological issues.
So what can you say? There are some kinds of disunity that are small and don't move me. Other kinds that are deep, immediate, personal, and heart-wrenching. So in any given case I would have to ask, "What is the theological issue? and What is the kind of division? And then I'll tell you which bothers or hurts or grieves me more."