A Conversation with Doug Wilson and John Piper

The recent Conference for Pastors concluded with this two-hour-long conversation between John Piper and Douglas Wilson, moderated by Joe Rigney. Download the audio and video.

Time-markers —

0:01:06 — Unpacking the meaning behind the individual mission statements.

0:07:09 — The differences in how those mission statements are framed.

0:10:48 — Unpacking, comparing, and contrasting two sub-themes: "Don't waste your life" (Piper) and "Living out the good life one family at a time" (Wilson).

0:19:14 — Counteracting the negative tendencies of these sub-themes (burnout/comfort).

0:23:00 — The shaping influence of Jonathan Edwards.

0:31:50 — On making the doctrine of the trinity prominent in ministry.

0:35:50 — Edwards on the Trinity.

0:39:12 — The shaping influence of C. S. Lewis.

0:52:00 — Defining Christian hedonism, differences and similarities.

1:02:05 — Does gratitude for material gifts lead to joy in the Giver? Or, does joy in God lead to enjoyment of the material gifts?

1:09:52 — On the role of self-denial in the Christian life.

1:15:22 — Discussion over Wilson's statement: "God is most glorified in me when I love what he has given to me, for its own sake."

1:32:05 — God delights in us because of Christ. But does he love me for me? Does he even like me, my personality, etc?

1:40:35 — Engaging the public square on social issues. Go deep on a few key issues (race, abortion), or address a broad range of issues (taxation, climate change, etc)?

1:49:00 — Responding to cultural sins with tears of sorrow or stinging satire?

1:58:53 — Closing prayer (Piper)

Tony Reinke (@tonyreinke) is a content strategist and staff writer for Desiring God and the author of Lit! A Christian Guide to Reading Books (2011) and John Newton on the Christian Life: To Live Is Christ (2015). He hosts the Ask Pastor John and Authors on the Line podcasts, and lives in the Twin Cities with his wife and their three children.