A Conversation with Doug Wilson and John Piper

The recent Conference for Pastors concluded with this two-hour-long conversation between John Piper and Douglas Wilson, moderated by Joe Rigney. Download the audio and video.

Time-markers —

0:01:06 — Unpacking the meaning behind the individual mission statements.

0:07:09 — The differences in how those mission statements are framed.

0:10:48 — Unpacking, comparing, and contrasting two sub-themes: "Don't waste your life" (Piper) and "Living out the good life one family at a time" (Wilson).

0:19:14 — Counteracting the negative tendencies of these sub-themes (burnout/comfort).

0:23:00 — The shaping influence of Jonathan Edwards.

0:31:50 — On making the doctrine of the trinity prominent in ministry.

0:35:50 — Edwards on the Trinity.

0:39:12 — The shaping influence of C. S. Lewis.

0:52:00 — Defining Christian hedonism, differences and similarities.

1:02:05 — Does gratitude for material gifts lead to joy in the Giver? Or, does joy in God lead to enjoyment of the material gifts?

1:09:52 — On the role of self-denial in the Christian life.

1:15:22 — Discussion over Wilson's statement: "God is most glorified in me when I love what he has given to me, for its own sake."

1:32:05 — God delights in us because of Christ. But does he love me for me? Does he even like me, my personality, etc?

1:40:35 — Engaging the public square on social issues. Go deep on a few key issues (race, abortion), or address a broad range of issues (taxation, climate change, etc)?

1:49:00 — Responding to cultural sins with tears of sorrow or stinging satire?

1:58:53 — Closing prayer (Piper)

Tony Reinke is a content strategist and staff writer for Desiring God and the author of Lit! A Christian Guide to Reading Books (2011) and John Newton on the Christian Life: To Live Is Christ (2015). He hosts the Ask Pastor John and Authors on the Line podcasts, and lives in the Twin Cities with his wife and their three children. He also blogs at tonyreinke.com.